joining me democratic congressman jackie spear of california who was just appointed to a new gun violence prevention task force. as well as dan gross. i want to start with this "new york times" report that found some gun groups were seeking to, quote, introduce children to high powered rifles and handguns while invoking the same rationale of those older, more traditional programs that firearms can teach life skills like responsibility, ethics, and citizenship. i want to get both of your reactions. congresswoman, i'll start with you. what's your reaction to this? >> i think it's ironic that on the one hand they are doing research on how to attract children to guns. and yet want to prevent and have been successful in preventing the congress and the cdc from researching gun violence. prevention. so it reminds me a lot of the joe camel commercials and the efforts to try and encourage kids to smoke. >> with the logic being, dan, that the second amendment is not going anywhere and the right to bear arms exists, playing devil's advocate here, doesn't it make sense to try to educate our youth abo